lnfortun wrote:

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Ah but I did mention heat transfer paper for laser. I use Imageclip which is self weeding. It is a two step paper but it is worth the extra step when there is no polymer window issue compared to some inkjet transfer paper. No need to explain to the customer that the window will get softer after wash or the polymer will become lesser after few more washes. Although inkjet paper has technically evolve and it is catching up.

I pay $0.62 per pair of Imageclip which is a lot less than some inkjet paper.

I see, that explains a lot. Thank you

lnfortun wrote:

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Incidentally, will the FabricFast work by itself without heat transfer paper?

Sure, FF inks are designed for the direct to fabric prints and is compatible with all printers with print heads based on piezoelectric technology such as most Epson's, Roland, Mimaki etc. Furthermore FF pigment inks contain the binder necessary to heat cure with the fibers.

lnfortun wrote:

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Let's say DTG. I have been reading that DTG user and maker are finding out that additional pretreatment is needed even for light color. I think US Screenprint is selling the pretreatment.

You can print with the ff pigment ink onto uncoated, natural substrate. You can read more about Digital Pigment Print Definition That means you absolutely do not need the use of a pretreatment BUT...it is an option. With certain images contain a lot of mid and dark tones occasionally you can improve the vividness by pre or post treat the printed area. In case we are using a common pre-treatment fluid known as "Optichem", which also is used in the traditional textile printing industry.

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Is FF ink made by the same people that made Translution? What is the cost of CMYK set?

No, both are totally different US companies. Translution Paper comes from Next Wave Media Solutions in Georgia and the ff pigment inks are manufactured by Trident-ITW in Conecticut. we combine the two for e.g. reasons given by the properties of both products which results in excellent light and wash fastness. We can make a cmyk trial package (500ml bottles) ready and You can email me directly if you are interested.

lnfortun wrote:

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I have C88+ and would like to try FabricFast if it is recommended for that model.

The C88 is designed for the Durabrite inks which is pigmented-based ink and therefore the ff inks are compatible with this machine. We recommend however to install an external waste ink tank/bottle as well as the use for an CISS.

lnfortun wrote:

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Sorry, I do not mean to be arguementative. It is just my opinion and I know others will disagree.

Do not worry at all, every opinion is highly appreciated and respected. That's where a forum is about.

Thanks, Jan

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Have you tried to figure out the breakdown on how much cheaper with CIS for full bleed print? Epson claims with OEM cartridge a set of CMYK will cover a few hundred pages but when I printed full bleed image I was only able to print very few pages(less than 20) and the cartridges were already empty. At $37.00 or more for CMY set it gets to be very expensive.

Luis

Hi Luis,
I did not break down the cost the way you did but I calculated the price by volume. The cartridges from the Epson's genuine inks contain circa 20ml, the 500ml or 1L bottles of FF inks brings the price down to $3.00 to $3.50 per cartridge. Sure the first investment is a lot higher but then you save a lot if you are using the printer regular.

Jan

Hi Jan:

Thanks for the enlightenment's. I am confused though. I asked Hyatt Innovative Solutions, the manufacturer of Ironall, Everlast,Jetflex Premium, Elasti-Jet, SuperSoft Feel, Soft Touch and Feel, ClearSoft, InkTra Stretch etc.. with many others, claims that Translution is one of their products. Unless Next Wave Media is one of their division. According to Hyatt translution and its distributor is not listed in their distributor list because some distributors does not want to participate in the list.

My email to Hyatt was an inquiry about Ironall and Translution and here is what Andrew of Hyatt has to say:

Hello Luis.

I appreciate your interest in our products.

Yes, you are correct. Our paper is sold under those names. Not everybody
chooses to participate in the distributor listing page.

Have a great day!!!


Best regards,

Andrew Thornton

Do you sell pre-treatment as well? Will FF ink work without transfer paper on 50/50 or higher polyster content up to 100% ployester fabric? I am thingking of making a DIYDTG using C88+ printer. What do recommend for the best CIS in the market?

lnfortun wrote:

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Thanks for the enlightenment's. I am confused though.

OK, I will try to take your confusement away. I can and I will not talk on behalf of other distributors but here is the situation. Translution paper's original name is Translution paper. As far as I know I am the only website where the paper can be ordered online under his original name. I am only one of but not the only reseller. I do not know who the other resellers are but nobody of us have some sort of a exclusivity agreement with the manufacturer regarding the areas where we sell the paper. It is however truth that some resellers may have an agreement to sell the Translution paper under their own or different brand. I do not know what brands and who they are but they are free to do so.

I decided to sell the paper as it is (Translution) to avoid any confusions. Hope this helps you to see clear in this matter.

Jan

lnfortun wrote:

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Do you sell pre-treatment as well? Will FF ink work without transfer paper on 50/50 or higher polyster content up to 100% ployester fabric? I am thingking of making a DIYDTG using C88+ printer. What do recommend for the best CIS in the market?

FF pigment ink will work on almost any substrate without using transfer paper. Unlike dye-based inks, these FabricFast Ultra inks require no expensive steamers to bind inks to the fabric and can be cured through simple heat fixation. Yes, the Optichem pre-treat is available in three different versions: Apply the Optichem onto fabrics using Hand-held Spray Bottles, Hand-held Rollcoaters or by screen printing.

Jan

Yes there are others. I got samples from Next Wave when it first came out. I got their Url from the Ad in Printwear Magazine. There are other resellers online that are using the same brand name. Have not seen transfer for dark being sold except here.

I have tried IronAll for dark which I used inkjet and laser printer. The inkjet looked washed out. The laser was vibrant but the toner started to wear off after few washes. I did not follow the pressing instruction though for fear that it will become translucent. Since the paper turned darker when I pressed the inkjet version. I lessen the dwell and temp when I pressed the laser version. Not sure if pre/post treatment would have help the durability. The inkjet held up although it still looked washed out. FabricFast maybe what is missing for the inkjet and pre/post treatment for laser. If you want I can post the comparison photo. So, my guess would be the same holds through with Translution for dark.

Thanks Jan.